Vortex Wars Rulebook Problem

[Joriom]

I understand you BelgarionRiva but don't agree with you. I've played an MMO game where for only using word "bot" in any context your account would get deleted without any further notice and your statements could be directly reported by an ingame function (no matter if it was global chat or whisper). Online player numbers decreased from 70,000 to 10,000 in matter of weeks and trust me, not cause of being banished. On the other hand rules must be there to discourage cheating and harsh behaviour. The more strict, the better. Thats a matter of enforcing them to the word is bad, not the rules itself. But trust me, I doubt that Lopdo will be blind enough to let moderators ban players by hundreds for "ass" or "fuck". And If I'm wrong, then... FUCK that!

[Lopdo]

fair points. I am not sure I am getting this right, but your main concern is with behavior that might be seen inappropriate but within rules of game (mainly swearing), is that so? I don't have problem with swearing per se. As you said, everybody swears. But there have to be limits somewhere and I draw the line when someone starts verbally attacking someone else, threatening etc. It is one thing to say "god dammit I lost, *** *** ***!! " and something else is to start insulting someone without good reason (victory or backstabbing is not good reason).
I feel the need to protect community from such behavior, because I think that if I don't do that, all that will remain are few sick players that enjoy making living hell out of someone else's lives (this is obviously stretched bit too far, but you get my point).

There is swear word filter, but it is pretty weak, it contains only few worst words and can be very easily avoided if someone really want to share with the world how he feels. I don't plan to change that, I will never censor anything except those few words (no censoring opinions, religion, stupidity, whatever)

As always, communication and warning always precede any bans.

[JamBam]

I'm only going to comment on one of your points here Bel because I want you to re-think what you're saying. Yes I agree with you free speech is a human right, but that argument comes to a dead stop when you are encroaching on someone elses human rights. If you are being abusive to someone in game then that is ofeending on their human rights. They have a right to come and play this game without someone giving them abuse or hassling them just because they are winning. If someone is being abusive they have no protection on the ground of free speech in my opinion and HOPEFULLY you realise why having just read what i've said. If not then you need to re-think what you are saying because you are being somewhat un-reasonable.

[BelgarionRiva]

Lopdo:It is one thing to say "god dammit I lost, *** *** ***!! " and something else is to start insulting someone without good reason (victory or backstabbing is not good reason).
Then I more or less agree, can you change the rulebook accordingly and take out the first sentence. Swearing should be kept limited. Only keep in harassment and swearing directed at other players?

Example of correct things to say upon loss:
This motherfucking map is so FUCKING lame! So many choke points I want to shoot myself and die!

Example of incorrect thing to say upon loss:
You motherfucker! Next time I see you in a game, you're dead. DEAD! YOU HEAR ME! I'll shoot you right between the eyes!

Agreed?

Also, the fourth point does not correspond to lopdo asking any kind of questions to the player before banning them:
As shown in the first note, harassing members and staff will result in a ban, no questions asked.

@Bamjam: I don't find the internet to be a "Safe place to go for when you're feeling down" nor a "place to cheer you up"... If you're afraid to being hurt, better stick to single player games. I agree that there's some point where behaviour control has to be enforced, but no one died because of a bit of aggressive competition. If anything, it adds to the entertainment.

Also, there's a point on a chart that says "trolling"... a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. The only person that can know if he is trolling or not, is the user/troll. I may be trolling you all right now and you have no way of knowing, see where I am coming to? It's hard to be impartial to something that requires subjective judgement.

Agreed?

Thanks for listening

[JamBam]

I never mentioned it was people coming here to improve their mood or whatever but the point still stands. If you went to work and somebody was flinging insults at you the whole time then you would expect something to be done about it. That same situation stands for numerous other situations, this being one of them. I don't expect the atmosphere to be 'Oh I love jim' or 'ohhh what a lovely coloured map it just fills me with joy!' but it should not be the aggressive, slandering situations you get in some of the game as this removes from enjoyment and there is no reason that people should have to put up with this kind of behaviour.

[Fiendess]

Belga, i know my rulebook sounds pretty harsh, i could link you to 1 website....and you'd see why the rules are so harsh.
Also i am here to help, not ban, am very understanding and fair, before jumping to conclusions, give me a chance to prove my worth? Let me show you how i enforce the rules. I'm sure after a while you'll agree to all my points in it.

[Sefferoth]

Greetings everybody,

The mighty Sefferoth has created an account on this forum just for this thread.

I would like to say that I fully agree with BelgarionRiva's arguements if not 'corrections' of the rulebook to make it more waterproof for flaws and loopholes.

Now some issues I'd like to adress and support BelgarionRiva with.

From Fiendess:I am taking this in a professional way

and let's not forget

From Fiendess: Get to know me first though, don't start judging me, did you see any abuse from me in-game?

You are a contradiction to yourself because you are not dealing with given criticism. You missed the whole point of his post where BelgarionRiva points out some major loopholes and flaws to you about the rulebook. He says he dislikes the fact a staffmember, you, can create rules and enforce them how you see fit, that is an abuse of power. You need to adjust your rulebook because right now It's full of holes and I think BelgarionRiva pointed this out perfectly.

The next issue I have a problem with is the fact that people report other people by sending in screenshots which can easily be manipulated and thus making the screenshot unreliable. Lopdo stated that he can recognize photoshops by what? Looking at the picture with a magnefying glass? Some good photoshops here and there and your whole system of reporting people by this method is worth nothing.

To conclude my small post: BelgarionRiva wants you to close the loopholes, make the rules executable, reformulate here and there. It's very important that this will happen because flawed rules like the ones stated in v1.0 will result in customerloss which leads to less profits.

[Lopdo]

The next issue I have a problem with is the fact that people report other people by sending in screenshots which can easily be manipulated and thus making the screenshot unreliable. Lopdo stated that he can recognize photoshops by what? Looking at the picture with a magnefying glass? Some good photoshops here and there and your whole system of reporting people by this method is worth nothing.

I can tell by some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time...
Anyway, I never said that screenshot is proof, it's only role is to alert us about someone. I never banned anyone based on screenshot alone

[Sefferoth]

P.s

Fiendess you should be banning the creator of the game, Lopdo, since your rules state the following:

Members are only permitted to have a single appropriate account on Vortex Wars. This rule will strictly be enforced.

Members caught having multiple accounts will be asked which account they would like as their primary, any secondary account(s) will be permanently banned.
Repeated offenses will be result in a removal from the website via IP ban.


From the thread 'Devs playing' Lopdo said:

I have more accounts, lvl 10 is my kong account (I spend most time in there), my main account is lvl 40 or something, rest is below 10

Ta taaa.

[Lopdo]

You could say that I am not member, ta taaa... don't be a smartass