Bit of a rant/venting regarding allies

[tonyy4]

well it doesn't matter if you've seen me or not it only matters if i remember you or not
but like i said the people you're after is not here in the forums so you're complaining to us for no reason because we aren't the people complaining about you
as of what i can see everybody is against what you are saying right now

[Reznorock]

So you speak for everyone now and are making an assumption about anyone knowing me or not knowing me.

And as to what you can see, you are blind. please, don't bother responding and leave, you have nothing constructive to say and apparently have no opinion on the matter I was discussing.

[Joshua]

Ive seen people that have complained about my allying turn around and ally just because they started to lose or someone got a little close, or right off the bat, just because, point is, it's hypocrisy.

So have I, point is, that's not us.

Also, I can "sort" of understand why some people would get upset about "secret" allying

Good.

but honestly, unless you are a complete idiot, it's VERY obvious when two people are allied with each other

Not always.

and I really don't understand why that would piss someone off when they immediatly shout it from the rooftops and end up with an opposing team with an even or larger number of players, oh wait, because they lost anyways. seriously?

It pisses us off because we shouldn't have to do that. We want to play the game as a free-for-all, not with allies.

As for the the blacklisting people, ive run into a number of people that were all nice and chatty and friendly and then started raging when they figured out I was allied with someone.

They have every right to. I would.

It doesn't what makes those people hypocrites (and you since I am assuming you are one of those people based off of the fact that you responded to this from that standpoint).

He doesn't ally.

is the fact that you complain about what I do, and those of a few of my friends, but on the flip side you do the same thing,

No we don't.

I personally call you hypocrites because I didn't used to play with allies, but it seemed like a more viable option once I saw how often everyone else did it. product of my environment and whatnot.

You can win perfectly fine without it.

It promotes allies anyways, also regardless of the draw button, it isn't against the rules regardless

Still doesn't make it right.

and no, if that was to prevent stalemates then why can you draw with 3 people?

Because you can get 3-way stalemates.

I have never seen a 3 way draw ever.

That's your problem, not ours.

If I go into a game and the creator says no allies, or the title says no allies (as axisnallies usually does) then I don't ally, not even if others are doing it, unless its with the game creator , hell I played a game just the other day where I still refused to ally and the game maker was gone already.

Good for you.

As I mentioned earlier, I took to those tactics to level the playing field, I was given war, great, people went on to guerilla tactics, I simply returned the favor,

You should only resort to that if, like Ratburn said, everyone else is and the game creator says it's ok.

however unlike some people, I have my line, I don't make second account or use a guest account,

While I am thankful that you don't play with multiple accounts, that doesn't make what you do not childish.

before that ever happened I thoroughly enjoyed long 6 hour games (when I had the time) that ended in a draw or winning against the odds. If people want to be up in arms, whatever, I can start going after specific targets as well,

You still can if you play against the right people.

or if you see me with certain people then ally up,if not then go solo. but don't sit there and try to act like you are only doing what you do because I do it. unless you like perpetuating the cycle.

We won't need to, we just wont play against you.

I would say something about a pot and a kettle but as ive mentioned, it was something I was driven to, any means at my disposal that arent against the rules. despite all the whining it seems to be alright around here till you start losing when others do it. Don't expect me to play by some high set of morals and ethics if you aren't willing to do the same.

The fact is that you are calling the main group of people who DON'T ally, allies.

People losing to having their tactics used against them doesn't make it wrong either. I learned how to play from other players.

I think you'll find a lot of those players are blacklisted.

Why should "I" lower MY ranking and waste my time and not have fun because "some" people don't like their tactics being used against them?

Noone's saying that, we're saying the opposite.

generally people don'y say allies are ok, and rarely no allies, they usually base those things depending on how they are doing in the game.

Then ask them before the game starts.

That would work out fine and dandy if I knew who the hell you were ingame as I don't recognize your name.

Most people on the forums use the same name in-game (rhyme scheme there). Except me.

however if the people that had an issue with how I played or were more specific about whatever problems they had then I might make a concious effort to not do certain things when I played against them, but that street goes both ways.

Of course.

I changed how I played based off of how others played, if the people complaining arent the ones to use said tactics, then I apologize, but if you DO, then you really have nothing to complain about and you brought it upon yourself, but don't bitch at me for returning the favor,

Prepare an apology.

and yes if the mood struck me I would make someones life hell at least for 1 game if they complained about how I played when they played the same, simple as that.

Then they'll mute you. There's no problem with you being polite whilst doing it, but "making their life hell" is a bit far.

It's a game, there is nothing to rise above. I will not be the better man if im not in the mood for it, I sincerely believe in treating others how you would wish to be treated, but when you get treated like crap or unfairly for months on end in a game you enjoy playing, the only thing I saw was to respond in kind.

My thesaurus says "selfish".

There are however a large number of people I DO recognize on a constant basis that I don't know, and if they don't play like assholes then neither will I, as I like a good game with good conversation with good people.

Good.

Unfortunately there don't seem to be many people like that around.

Unfortunately, it seems you are blind.

[tonyy4]

So you speak for everyone now and are making an assumption about anyone knowing me or not knowing me.

And as to what you can see, you are blind. please, don't bother responding and leave, you have nothing constructive to say and apparently have no opinion on the matter I was discussing.

lol drama drama drama you are
don't know when to end it do you?
lucky for you i'm a mature adult
I'll Resolve it like how "grown ups" do it
i don't need to waste my time with kids like you
i can't believe such simple words can hurt you so badly
anyway kid
i don't wanna get bann off these forums so have a nice day arguing

[hicksy17]

Reznorock, I've been in the same situation and there are several things you can do to have the full experience of allying fun without arguments or other stuff during gameplay.

First thing is make your own games, this makes you the host and basically the controller of the game occurring. This means you can fully permit alliances during that game.

Second thing you can do is ask, if the majority of people say yes (this includes the game host) then allying is fine in that game. If someone complains, mute them as they are just being a nuisance. However, if the host disagrees no allying is allowed what-so-ever so don't argue back as this person controls the game and everyone's restrictions inside it. If no-one says anything when you ask if allying is ok, don't make any alliances. The people in the game you are playing think that their presence says everything, making themselves a nuisance.

Thirdly, if the host has left and people start having a funny turn just carry on playing like you did beforehand, that way you know you are doing the right thing and what the game was intended to be played like.

Fourthly, join games that say alliances are ok in their titles .e.g. '2v2' or 'alliance game'

Finally, if everyone else in the game is creating allies, and this is literally everyone, do the same as this means it is fully permitted. I've had the same situation occur to me and everyone had a fun game of allying (probably not on the best map though -.-).

Follow these things and you should have fun playing ally games. This does work, I do it for all the times I want to play an ally game.

Sorry if most of what I said is what you knew already, but I just needed to state this cause there are people who will look at this topic and will not know what to do unless someone states something like this.

Hope this helps you continue to enjoy your gaming experience. Please don't quote this and insult it, I am trying to help not cause a ruckus.

[Joshua]

Fourthly, join games that say alliances are ok in their tities .e.g. '2v2' or 'alliance game'

Lol. You swore

[hicksy17]

Fourthly, join games that say alliances are ok in their tities .e.g. '2v2' or 'alliance game'

Lol. You swore

Oh dear

[Joshua]

Fourthly, join games that say alliances are ok in their tities .e.g. '2v2' or 'alliance game'

Lol. You swore

Oh dear

Joshua: Lol. You Swore
Hicksy17: Oh dear
Techgump: *Jaws Music*
Hicksy17: PLEASE N-
-Hicksy17 Banned-
Joshua: ..
Techgump: Hm?
Ozserf: Stop banning my friends, Techgump.
Techgump: Are you on your own friends list?
Ozserf: No.
Ozserf: WAIT Y-
-Ozserf Banned-
Ratburntro44: Hi!
Techgump: Hi Rat.
-Ratburntro44 Logs Off-
Joshua: Bye.
-Joshua Logs Off-

[Ratburntro44]

Thanks for replying for me, Joshua, I was too lazy to make another huge reply like that and you pretty much said exactly what I would have said.

[Joshua]

Thanks for replying for me, Joshua, I was too lazy to make another huge reply like that and you pretty much said exactly what I would have said.

Heh, no problem.