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Re: WolfPAC (Politics)

Postby Drone6o3 » Tue May 24, 2016 11:11 pm

Also the Democratic Party is rigged and are blindly ignorant about policy and laws for Hillary's nomination over Bernie Sanders. Some attention was brought towards this in Nevada, but it's happening here in Georgia as well...
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Re: WolfPAC (Politics)

Postby >(FM)< » Wed May 25, 2016 12:49 am

GivinUDaHimelik wrote:
Vortex_Master wrote:Bernie still exists. Besides, I find pleasure in knowing there are people with likable personalities despite political affiliation and ideology. I would rather like someone for who they are than who they support. I have several Trump supporting friends I like and several Bernie supporters I despise.

Now, as for the real topic of this thread (American Politics), I wouldn't call anyone's candidate a joke, Trump or otherwise. Some people are stupid and follow leaders blindly, but this thread is about policy. If you can't talk policy, maybe it's best to stay ignorantly quite than boastfully stupid. (I believe that is a paraphrase of a famous Lincoln quote.)

The electoral college frustrates me, but not nearly as much as our 2 party system. Much of American politics needs to be overturned and reinvented. I would totally recommend people watching CGPGrey's videos about voting on YouTube.


I believe Bernie is hanging by a thread. Because of the superdelegates, Hillary only needs something like 78 more delegates for the nomination, if I understood the article I read correctly.

I'm not a party guy, but most of my core values are enforced by the Republican candidates and this year is no different.

My thoughts on the electoral college are that it should represent the people's wishes more, and the politician's less. % of electoral votes from a state for a candidate should be the same % as popular vote for the same candidate in the same state.

But as we know the government wont over rule itself to lessen it's representation.
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Re: WolfPAC (Politics)

Postby Vortex_Master » Wed May 25, 2016 1:12 am

We see socialism work every day in our roadways, our schools (which many Republicans like Governor Matt Bevin of Kentucky keep cutting funding for, making them worse), our largest shipping service, our MILITARY (the largest gov't work opportunity), multiple social services, and more.
There are definitely problems with every system, and every individual weighs risks, costs, and pros vs cons (and what are actually pros and cons) differently.
This is the reason that the US has a mixed system - we pick and choose what we like and have seen work. However, if Republicans were truly conservative, they would do what is most fiscally responsible and saves the US people the most money. If Democrats were truly liberal, they would do what benefited the American people the most while treating everyone fairly - not equally - FAIRLY. Justly. Or better yet, they would tear down the wall that stop people from having the same opportunities in the first place in stead of having to spend more to accommodate them (which would be the fiscally responsible thing).
The American system is corrupt. The American system is unfair. The American system is inhibiting. This is why people turn to socialism. This is why people turn to revolution. This is why people are angry. This is why people turn to facism (which is what most people THINK socialism is, and it is not).
Bernie has proposed a revolutionary change in the WHOLE SYSTEM. This is why he is popular. Would everything work? Maybe. Maybe not. Definitely not if it is not all implemented together.
Trump agrees with a lot that Bernie says. However, he proposes different ways to address these issues. Trump wants to modify the system, not change it completely. Where Bernie blames the system, Trump blames the people both abusing the system (politicians) and overloading the current system (immigrants, impoverished, and underemployed). Would all of Trumps plans, like making insurance competitive between the states to lower costs, work? Maybe. Maybe not.
Hillary is part of the problem that both of the aforementioned candidates are trying to address. She abuses the system, corrupts the system, obliges to the wishes of the corporations, and majorly wants to keep the system where it currently stands.
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Re: WolfPAC (Politics)

Postby Autumnwolf17 » Wed May 25, 2016 1:26 am

GivinUDaHimelik wrote:Ok, new question. This doesn't really pertain to this year's election.

Do you like how the Electoral College currently works? If not, what would you change?

Curious to hear your opinions.

The EC isn't always great, but I would argue it's superior to the alternatives. The primary change I would make would be to enforce that electors be held absolutely to the results of their respective states, ensuring that the role is purely ceremonial. It doesn't happen often that they break away, but the potential shouldn't exist. Other than that though, I think the potential cost of throwing it away and starting over is much higher than would be worth it.
GivinUDaHimelik wrote:I'm not a party guy, but most of my core values are enforced by the Republican candidates and this year is no different.

I consider myself a moderate, but generally accept the two party system. I lean Republican for the same reason you do; I agree more closely with their values, but I cannot in good conscience vote for Trump, either the candidate or his core policies. My fear is that this isn't going to be a one time thing and the party is actually going to shift with him. If that ends up happening, I don't know where I'll end up politically.
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Re: WolfPAC (Politics)

Postby Drone6o3 » Thu May 26, 2016 12:00 am

I would just like to spend the time to thank Grego for keeping everything on track...

Now I'd also like to point out that socialism has only worked on small scale setups (Like Families or Small Church Congregations), where everyone puts forth into the system. The second someone stops pulling it tends to cause others to fall behind as well... It's a perfect system that won't work with our imperfect selves. That's why I can't back it, because I know how catastrophic it can be on large scales, where if it fails for smaller groups they can still join together and rebuild. On the contrary if it fails on a large scale it creates a power vacuum that would most likely lead to wide spread riots, at least.
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Re: WolfPAC (Politics)

Postby infected » Thu May 26, 2016 2:32 pm

Vortex_Master wrote:We see socialism work every day in our roadways, our schools (which many Republicans like Governor Matt Bevin of Kentucky keep cutting funding for, making them worse), our largest shipping service, our MILITARY (the largest gov't work opportunity), multiple social services, and more.
There are definitely problems with every system, and every individual weighs risks, costs, and pros vs cons (and what are actually pros and cons) differently.



Ahem, we spend so much on our military and get nothing in return there has to be a reason why we r trillion dollars in debt AND socialism will NEVER EVER EVER work because of the way people are. People are greedy and lazy. So say this if you got the pay as someone at your job for doing the 5x more work but because it's equal pay he got the same amount you would be pissed. Therefore you would start to become lazy yourself and therefore producing less of what the company does.
History has proven it and will prove it again- SOCIALISM WILL NEVER WORK
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Re: WolfPAC (Politics)

Postby >(FM)< » Thu May 26, 2016 3:51 pm

infected wrote:
Vortex_Master wrote:We see socialism work every day in our roadways, our schools (which many Republicans like Governor Matt Bevin of Kentucky keep cutting funding for, making them worse), our largest shipping service, our MILITARY (the largest gov't work opportunity), multiple social services, and more.
There are definitely problems with every system, and every individual weighs risks, costs, and pros vs cons (and what are actually pros and cons) differently.



Ahem, we spend so much on our military and get nothing in return there has to be a reason why we r trillion dollars in debt AND socialism will NEVER EVER EVER work because of the way people are. People are greedy and lazy. So say this if you got the pay as someone at your job for doing the 5x more work but because it's equal pay he got the same amount you would be pissed. Therefore you would start to become lazy yourself and therefore producing less of what the company does.
History has proven it and will prove it again- SOCIALISM WILL NEVER WORK

Hitler: Just exterminate all the lazy people and create a perfect race.
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Re: WolfPAC (Politics)

Postby GivinUDaHimelik » Thu May 26, 2016 8:10 pm

Back to the bathroom issue. ELEVEN states are now suing the Obama Administration to try and make this all a state issue without punishment for those who choose to keep conventional bathrooms. It's possible more states could join.
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Re: WolfPAC (Politics)

Postby Drone6o3 » Fri May 27, 2016 12:32 am

XD As an Anti-federalist, I support the giant middle finger to any form of federal overreach, especially one as delicate as this...
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Re: WolfPAC (Politics)

Postby Autumnwolf17 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:37 pm

The Brexit referendum is tomorrow! What does everyone think?

I strongly support staying myself. None of the reasons for leaving seem worth the cost.
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