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Re: Autumnwolf17's Help/Chat Room

Postby Xtermy » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:41 am

Ratburntro44 wrote:One question; how would you measure performance? When you find an unbiased way to do that, please email Henry Walchester with your plan and a full explanation of how it won't be biased.


Performance can be measured by a number of ways. No one way is perfect and I'm not certain if some of them are indeed completely unbiased:

1) Test scores in the teacher's class (known issue with this is teachers shoving information down students throats, not caring about real teaching and making learning an interesting experience).


2) Teacher's rating questionnaires which will be filled up by students, parents and management (a separate questionnaire for each party, dealing with different issues, such as the teacher's level of knowledge, courtesy, professionalism, etc.). The down side to this is of course turning it into a popularity contest, with students in particular getting back at their less favourable teachers.


3) Similar to #1, teachers who have the lowest rating of drop-outs. Of course, this will be difficult on teachers who receive the "tough" classes. For these particular teachers, perhaps this can be mitigated by adding a factor that positively shifts the score a little bit more in their favour, to compensate their hard "starting ground".


These are just a few off the top of my head...
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Re: Autumnwolf17's Help/Chat Room

Postby Ratburntro44 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:51 am

Xtermy wrote:Performance can be measured by a number of ways. No one way is perfect and I'm not certain if some of them are indeed completely unbiased:

1) Test scores in the teacher's class (known issue with this is teachers shoving information down students throats, not caring about real teaching and making learning an interesting experience).

Except teachers control test scores.


2) Teacher's rating questionnaires which will be filled up by students, parents and management (a separate questionnaire for each party, dealing with different issues, such as the teacher's level of knowledge, courtesy, professionalism, etc.). The down side to this is of course turning it into a popularity contest, with students in particular getting back at their less favourable teachers.

Students are generally biased in favor of easy teachers where they don't actually learn as much; parents generally know very little about teaching and what goes on in the classroom and generally think they know how to do the job better than teachers; management biased towards teachers who do exactly what they want (which is almost never a sign of good teaching, as usually what ends up happening is senseless policies are made without teacher input).


3) Similar to #1, teachers who have the lowest rating of drop-outs. Of course, this will be difficult on teachers who receive the "tough" classes. For these particular teachers, perhaps this can be mitigated by adding a factor that positively shifts the score a little bit more in their favour, to compensate their hard "starting ground".


These are just a few off the top of my head...

Dropping out of classes is very rarely actually related to how good the teacher is and is mostly due to student misestimating.
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Re: Autumnwolf17's Help/Chat Room

Postby Xtermy » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:23 am

Ratburntro44 wrote:
1) Except teachers control test scores.


2) Students are generally biased in favor of easy teachers where they don't actually learn as much; parents generally know very little about teaching and what goes on in the classroom and generally think they know how to do the job better than teachers; management biased towards teachers who do exactly what they want (which is almost never a sign of good teaching, as usually what ends up happening is senseless policies are made without teacher input).


3) Dropping out of classes is very rarely actually related to how good the teacher is and is mostly due to student misestimating.



Agreed on point #1 (although if its an exact science class, there's so much a teacher can do to influence a test score).

You've convinced me on point #3.

As for point #2 - yes, I said exactly that about the students. You may also be right about many parents. As for the principal - well, I think that depends on the his\hers experience, character and time they allocate to actually spectate the classrooms instead of just being holed-up in their office all day long. Also, if the principal comes from a teaching background (many of them do) it is always a plus, as they may tend to see things more from the teachers' point of view.
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Re: Autumnwolf17's Help/Chat Room

Postby royalblue » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:48 am

EDIT: I regretted what I said here, so I deleted it.
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Re: Autumnwolf17's Help/Chat Room

Postby Xtermy » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:17 am

royalblue wrote:I can't find another damn place to ask real questions without making my own topic. I don't want to ask that Wolf guy, but there is nowhere else. So can someone here give me like three to five sentences about what these forums actually do? Because I basically see a VortexWars centered FaceBook.


"that wolf guy" is actually quite nice so why not ask him? :)

Anyway, these forums are meant to discuss the game, feature requests, bugs, blacklists, etc., but since lately we get very little response from the mod\dev team, we do go off-topic quite a lot and just chat (we became a small tightly nit community, I think).
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Re: Autumnwolf17's Help/Chat Room

Postby clan ghost bear » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:02 am

royalblue wrote:I can't find another damn place to ask real questions without making my own topic. I don't want to ask that Wolf guy, but there is nowhere else. So can someone here give me like three to five sentences about what these forums actually do? Because I basically see a VortexWars centered FaceBook.


Just what Xtermy said, but to add on to it,
We're a community of Players and Posters here.
Sure, we do go of topic (Which annoys me like hell sometimes...).
Like any other forum, we got a area where we talk about bug reports and glitches, Requests,
Some stuff about clans (which has no 'exact' topic, unless it is about an arrange battle between 1 clan to another)
and the common thing in all forum, Forum games and off topic discussion.
We are like any other Forum but special in a way.
We got mods that act bad ass (not stating any names but... it ends with Gump and starts with Tech)
We got forum gamers adicts.
We got Clanners and clan members
We got people who most believe he does drugs... or the other way around (sundancer)
We got allot of people thrown into a blender known as VW forums.
We are a slightly odd (when contrasted with another members in the forum) people and people who go off topic.
even the Admin gets off topic (I think he is the one that derails most formal discussions or normal)

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Re: Autumnwolf17's Help/Chat Room

Postby royalblue » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:36 pm

Fine. Whatever. Wolf already seems mad, so you know what? I'm sorry. And I do mean that, whatever you might think. So maybe there are some places where you can post a bit more. I'll so my part and just avoid those places.

But, sure, do I still get to go back and ask here? Or are you going to make me find another nonexistent place to ask questions? Wolf seems to be the only one who can post a decent help page.

So on the restart, of possible, I shall just reintroduce myself as Royalblue.
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Re: Autumnwolf17's Help/Chat Room

Postby clan ghost bear » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:48 pm

Welcome Royalblue :)
And I'm sure Wolf won't mind and forgive you.
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Re: Autumnwolf17's Help/Chat Room

Postby Xtermy » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:09 pm

royalblue wrote:Fine. Whatever. Wolf already seems mad, so you know what? I'm sorry. And I do mean that, whatever you might think. So maybe there are some places where you can post a bit more. I'll so my part and just avoid those places.

But, sure, do I still get to go back and ask here? Or are you going to make me find another nonexistent place to ask questions? Wolf seems to be the only one who can post a decent help page.

So on the restart, of possible, I shall just reintroduce myself as Royalblue.


I've never seen Wolf angry (well, once, during an altercation with highlander, but that was some time ago).

Anyway, his is not the only official help room - he just made a thread and it became popular. You can start your own thread and ask your question there and I'm pretty sure someone will be glad to assist you.

And yeah - welcome to the community! :)
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Re: Autumnwolf17's Help/Chat Room

Postby Autumnwolf17 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:09 am

Well... wow... did I comes across as angry last night? I never get angry (not even with Highlander) (actually, that's not true, I get mad when I screw something up for myself where I could have easily done it right.)

Also, all is forgiven for who you are (I'm clever, I know exactly who you are, but that's behind us)
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