Vortex Wars Rulebook Problem

[BelgarionRiva]

The name says it all. Vortex Wars apparently now has a rulebook and any act we commit will result in a ban. That means that I will not be able to use what I paid for. Swearing in excess was also not tolerated before the thought police invaded Vortex Wars. If this was not enough, there is now a Vortex Wars Ban Chart. Am I the only one that sees a new low in this? Let's take a moment and analyse this ban chart and this rulebook, because a game, apparently, cannot be fun until rules and laws are clearly laid out and enforced in the harshest possible sense. This almost sounds like Fiendess has a quota to fill(ban).

Members are only permitted to have a single appropriate account on Vortex Wars. This rule will strictly be enforced.
No, that is not true. I have multiple accounts on kongregate. Kongregate is linked to Vortex Wars, thus I potentially use multiple accounts on Vortex Wars. Do not start telling me what I can and cannot do with my life. As long as Lopdo receives my money from multiple accounts, will he care that the money comes from the same person?

Accounts are held under the responsibility of the individual creator of the account. If an account is banned, reversals will not take place unless the ban was done unnecessarily.
So bans will be done unnecessarily/on suspicion. A screenshot can display 5 lines of text. In a regular Vortex Wars conversation, there are over 2000 lines of text. If you cannot read all 2000 lines of text, ask for at least 15 screen shots, then do a private interview with both parties to determine what actually happened, and then consider giving a warning. Any amount of effort under what I have described is a lack of involvement and an abuse of power.

Members caught having multiple accounts will be asked which account they would like as their primary, any secondary account(s) will be permanently banned.
Repeated offenses will be result in a removal from the website via IP ban.
I have 0 Vortex Wars accounts and several Kongregate accounts. Good luck trying to work out that detail with Kongregate. "Yes, hello, we would like you to ban his 6 other accounts on the point that he is not allowed to have multiple accounts on our flash game." I can see that happening.

Spamming and advertising is definitely not permitted, there will be heavy action towards this kind of behavior. Heavy action. Really? Have you read 1984? Farhenheit 451? They both accurately describe the abuse of power you (Fiendess) are having right now.

Messages in *ALL CAPS* <- Like this are not allowed, it is annoying and can be considered as spam.
Annoyance is now a bannable offence. Since annoyance is subjective to everybody, Admins/Mods clearly have the right to ban you (average paying/non-paying member of Vortex Wars) on account of "I don't like you. You're annoying. Your letters are capitalized."

These are a list of guidelines for moderators to follow. Also by being a member of vortex wars you also agree to these terms of punishments in case of your misbehavior/bad conduct. This ban chart will be applied fairly and strictly.
This is not how it works. I joined Vortex Wars before the thought police took over it. I did not agree to anything upon being a member. I'm actually not technically a member of vortex wars, only a member of Kongregate. Does your abuse still apply to me?



If you have issues regarding staff members, feel free to PM me about it. Do not post it on the forums, do not insult the staff member and do not bother Lopdo. Bother me.
I have an issue about a staff member, but that staff member is you(Fiendess), although I am contacting all users of Vortex Wars to say that this is a ridiculous abuse of power. I have several Vortex Wars accounts, I have never directly insulted anyone and yet, with the new 1000 rules, I will probably end up being banned a day, 3, 5, 7, 9 and in the end I will not be able to play. I spent at least 200$ dollars on this game, on several of my accounts and my friends' accounts. I did not do it in order to slowly but surely get banned because someone is trigger-happy on power. Lopdo, you've created a great game, but I will not stand this... insult. You have lost a few paying members. You might not care but in time, more and more paying and non paying users will get banned/will leave. Frankly, I believe your game needs all the popularity it can get. Put a censoring third party program that can be activated/deactivated by members, but do not put an Admin in control that enjoys making rules, enforcing them and banning people.

Fiendess, I did not swear and the message was not intended at you, it was intended at the members of vortex wars, so I ask you to leave it, to see what other users/mods/Lopdo thinks about this.

Given your new Rulebook/ Ban Chart, I will probably get banned for stating my opinion and opposing the supperior forces of Vortex Wars Administration. There are many games out there, games that require me to spend 10% of the money I spend here and yet I chose to spend it here because of the freedom of speech and the fact that we have no thought police, governing our every thoughts.

Thanks for listening,

Don't expect to ever see me online,

Cheers,

Belgarion Riva

[Robomajor]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1241

This is the official rule book.

[BelgarionRiva]

That's from where I quoted it. Read my post before sending me a link I quoted.

[Robomajor]

Meh....

I read the first part

The name says it all. Vortex Wars apparently now has a rulebook and any act we commit will result in a ban. That means that I will not be able to use what I paid for. Swearing in excess was also not tolerated before the thought police invaded Vortex Wars.

and the last part.

Thanks for listening,

Don't expect to ever see me online,

Cheers,

Belgarion Riva

This lead me to believe that you just re-posted it and took credit for it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


EDIT: Plus, it is 12:06 A.M. here and I have had LONG day.

[BelgarionRiva]

Changed the title...

[Robomajor]

Re-reading this, you make some valid points, BelgarionRiva.

[Lopdo]

hmm... looks like you had some pretty bad experiences with admins in the past, I can't explain your reaction otherwise. You probably know how game worked before and that I didn't ban everybody that I didn't like. I always required decisive proof and even then I often talked it out with person in question. This will not change! All that will change is my reach. I can't be online 24/7 and I can't see every game. Mods help with this.

That chart is there only for you to see what is considered offense and I certainly don't have a quota for bans, quite the opposite. I don't like banning and I want to avoid as much as possible and I instructed mods about it. On the other hand, when someone doesn't heed warning and is ruining the game for everyone around him by swearing and spamming, I will be more than happy to get rid of such person, community will be better off.

Regarding you defense about not having VW account, are you some kind of lawyer or something? The moment you login into VW using your kong account, VW account is created, so you in fact do have multiple VW accounts and thus are part of VW. This by itself isn't problem (tho I don't understand why someone would need to do that) up to the moment when you start using them in the same game. We can't and won't ban your kong account, only your VW account that is linked to it.

I am really sorry you feel this way. I really appreciate your support and I would hate to lose you as a part of community. But there is solution. Mods are there to controls users, but users can control mods at the same time. You can be certain that I will fire any misbehaving mod faster that I would ban any regular player.

[Fiendess]

I second what lopdo says, keep your kong accounts, use them appropriately, I'm not here to ban or anyone.
Yes my expectations are harsh, but i am fairly patient and always give fair chance to members.

The ban chart is basically a guideline a moderator can follow, actions taken by moderators are under they're judgment and decision, not the charts. It is there to help the moderator with issues and how serious offenses are.

I am taking this in a professional way, and i understand your thoughts, it's normal to feel abit threatened.

Get to know me first though, don't start judging me, did you see any abuse from me in-game?

I'm here to help, not corrupt.

[Ratburntro44]

I also have a problem with the rulebook. In the last sentence, after the ban chart, it says "they're" when it should say "their".

But seriously, this is a game. If you don't like the rules, don't play it. This is nothing like 1984.

[BelgarionRiva]

@ lopdo:

Looks like you had some pretty bad experiences with admins in the past.
Yeah, I've seen a mod from an MMO I used to play, steal over 20 000$ in terms of sold ebay items that did not belong to him. This is not the issue.

You probably know how game worked before and that I didn't ban everybody that I didn't like. I always required decisive proof and even then I often talked it out with person in question. This will not change! All that will change is my reach. I can't be online 24/7 and I can't see every game. Mods help with this. No one ever reported me for swearing, probably because they were not aware someone even cared about swearing. I have no way of knowing what you do with reports, since I have never been reported...

when you start using them in the same game.
I do not use them at the same time, I just do not enjoy being high level. People team up on you and kick you from games before the games even start. This happens quite often and I'm not even that high; still though, not the issue.

But there is solution. Mods are there to controls users, but users can control mods at the same time. You can be certain that I will fire any misbehaving mod faster that I would ban any regular player.
My problem is not with the behaviour of a mod, it is with the enforcement of harsh rules of a mod. I have no doubt she, Fiendess, will be impartial and enforce the said rules. That is not the information I wished for people to extract out of my post. Abuse can be made by respecting laws. The abuse is in the rules themselves, not in the application of the rules.

@Ratburntro44:

But seriously, this is a game. If you don't like the rules, don't play it. This is nothing like 1984.
If you read my whole post, I won't play it because I don't like the rules, thanks for stating again what I have stated previously. And, you're right, seriously, this is a game. A game should have rules, but they shouldn't have a thought police.
Even though I read, I have a limited vocabulary and I swear, very very much. Everybody swears, the word Fuck is the most used word in the english language, it can be used as a noun, a verb, a pronoun, and even an adjective, surprisingly. Sooner or later, without wanting to offend anyone, I would get banned. I do not want to start using anaphora and metaphor in order to avoid bad language. The bad language is not directed at anyone, it's just a form of frustration, yet, sooner or later, people(including me) will start getting banned.

@ Everyone:

Here is the thing. This game is populated by kids/teenagers between 10 and 18 mostly. Teenagers mainly in America, with a low taste for literature and that have a highly offensive vocabulary. I can say that I have been insulted/threatened in almost every single game I have won using backstabbing tactics.(Allying with someone then breaking alliance when the opportunity showed itself) I would be taking screen shots all day long instead of playing if I took a screen shot of every time someone called me an asshole, a fuckhead, etc... The only people that will get banned, are the people that have screen shots taken of them. Those shots will be taken by players who will want to passively/aggressively attack the opponent, by getting them banned. If you had to ban everyone that uses what you classify as bad language, you would be left with a few kids, a few foreign teenagers that do not understand English, and people who are classified under stage 3 of human developmental psychology. (i.e. Fear of law, lick spittle, ass kissing, etc...)

Aggressiveness is good for the game. It shows that competition is there and that the people want to destroy each other in the game. There is no way for someone to figure out someone else's address, short of finding their IP, getting access to the database of internet provider and finding the address, so I see no threat whatsoever when a 12 year old kid tells me to go suck on his mom's cock (pun intended). It is simply their way of expressing their anger at losing or at not being superior in a video game. I find no reason this should be sanctioned. When someone loses, does it really matter if they say: "darn-tootin'!" or: "FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOST!!!!!!!!"? It's an expressive emotion and should be disregarded if found offensive. Did anyone ever play runescape? Their population was almost cut down by half because of censoring system. You couldn't say god, dog, g o d, shit, heck, hell, fuck, penis, any variation of tits, or any kind of word that could be considered offensive in any/every religion/language/state of mind. Even if the censuring was there, the people still got 1 3 5 days ban, and ended up leaving because of the barring of rights of freedom of expression. Censorship is wrong, saying what you want how you want is a human right. Threatening to go to someone's house and kill them is the bare limit of a ban, but swearing is a form of expressive speech that should not be sanctionned unless heavily abused. By heavily abused, I mean, copy paste the word fuck, in capitals, over the course of 30 seconds and pasting it non stop. That's the only reason a ban is in order, but then again, the ban would be for spamming, not for the actual word fuck.

You(user/mod/admin/Lopdo) may argue that we live in a depraved, sick, sick world and that swearing is wrong. We do live in a sick sick world, and most of you (user/mod/admin/Lopdo/whomever may read this) have a short enough attention span not to actually read what is truly happening in the world, have no idea about shock doctrine, September 11 1973 Chilean Coup, the link to USA, England and the impact on the world; or what's currently happening in Senegal at this very moment. I'm not calling everyone ignorant, I am just saying that swearing has nothing to do with the fact that we live in a sick world. It is a way to de-stress individuals and should not be punished unless abused. A ban chart/rulebook seems outright offensive.

Again, thanks for listening,

Belgarion Riva