People with their turn before you

[dave2069]

well what about giving an XP boost for winners depending on your start place?
off the top of my head, (you may need to balance the rewards)
maybe you get 50% of the xp for 2nd place, and 25% for 3rd

start first- 0 points
second - 1 point
.
7th - 7 points
8th - 8 points

plus 1 point for each starter

eg in a 5 player game , if you start first and win you get 0+5 = 5 points extra xp
in an 8 player game if you start 7th and win , you get 7+8 = 15 extra xp points
in a 6 player game starting last and coming 2nd, you get 6+6 = 12 (but 50% for coming 2nd) so only 6

This would also reward xp for winning games with many players

[Joshua]

Honestly, both ideas are bad when looked at from a theorycrafting point of view.

Getting two turns in a row is a bigger advantage than going first for the whole game. Switching turn order or randomizing turn order can both lead to this absolutely imbalanced situation.

It is a mathematically proven fact, there is no way to counter FTA in a turn based game where nothing is pre-placed on the board. Randomizing the turn orders and keeping it that way the whole game is the only somewhat-solution, as it should lead to an overall "balace" for every player from game to game.

Besides, the more the players, the more FTA is negated. Avoid 2-3 player games, go for bigger ones, and you should be mostly fine if the game area is big enough for everyone to have a decent starting location

2013 Edit: Okay, this one was actually a decent idea. I'll clean it up a bit though:
We could just counteract that by having a system which changes the turn order every round, so if you are first in one round, you have to be at best fourth in the next.

[Robomajor]

That actually sounds like a good idea. I can't believe we didn't think of that sooner.

[Ratburntro44]

I thought of something a bit like that, but I was too lazy to mention it.

[BadFurDay]

couldnt you just have a simple system that counteracts that by making it so that whoever went first one round, then has to go at best 4th next round

But that only reverses the pressure by giving player one a major disadvantage.

In anything turn based, having someone play two turns between two of yours is the very worst form of disadvantage. What happens is that players 1-4 are now the ones suffering from the pessure, and players 4-8 are now the ones with an advantage.

FTA only shows itself during the first few turns of a game, and this would simply give the FTA to someone else. Not much of a fix imo.

[Robomajor]

I disagree. It sounds like you are saying being 4th or lower is a major disadvantage, which is the first thing I disagree with (although it can be a disadvantage). But even if it is, you still just got the first turn advantage. You also said that FTA only shows itself during the first few turns of a game, which is untrue. It plays a large role through out the ENTIRE game.

[Ratburntro44]

*I agree with Robomajor

[Joshua]

*I agree with myself, Robomajor, and Ratburntro44

[Ratburntro44]

Okay, good.

GO TEAM RRJ!

[Joshua]

Damn, i'm the odd one out *cry**cry* *sob**sob*